Growing Up

Jun. 2nd, 2010 12:09 pm
[personal profile] bertine
Stuff is going on in my life that I haven't written about. I'll get around to it but until I do, I have a couple questions to ask you:

What do you want to with your life? What are you doing to get to make that happen?

Date: 2010-06-02 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sacramentalist.livejournal.com
Fuck, Bertine. I have no clue. And it scares the shit out of me.

Date: 2010-06-02 05:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seattleforge.livejournal.com
But your life is almost over. Better get on it.

Date: 2010-06-02 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seattleforge.livejournal.com
That's my motto.

Date: 2010-06-02 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
Wow, you know [livejournal.com profile] seattleforge so well.

Date: 2010-06-02 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sacramentalist.livejournal.com
Another one is to be right when [livejournal.com profile] seattleforge is wrong, and I did that earlier this morning -- Even marked it on the calendar.

Next goal? Get him to apologize for something.
Edited Date: 2010-06-03 03:55 am (UTC)

Date: 2010-06-03 02:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
You will tell me when he apologizes for something, right? Because I am going to be concerned when that happens.

Date: 2010-06-02 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
Hey, you have goals, you have a house to clean tonight!

Date: 2010-06-03 03:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mesawyou.livejournal.com
I skimmed this real fast and didn't see the comma and thought "FUCK BERTINE?!?!?! Wow!!"

Date: 2010-06-03 04:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sacramentalist.livejournal.com
Oooo. Maybe the comma was the typo! Oooooo!

Date: 2010-06-02 05:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
I want a job that is fulfilling (most of the time) and kids. I want to have friends over to hang out and eat.

I think I am making progress on these, slowly.


This weekend I made a comment to Zach about wanting to entertain more and then I realize that I did pretty often. My place isn't great for entertaining but I do what I can.
From: [identity profile] damncutekitty.livejournal.com
I just want to be happy.

And most of the I am more or less content with my life. I like my apartment. My job's kinda boring but I like the benefits so it's worth it. I have awesome friends and do fun things.

It'd be nice to eventually have some sort of long term, committed relationship. But Ive long since learned not to base my happiness on things that are in the hands of fate. So while it would be nice to have a life partner, it's no longer something I need.

Am I setting the bar too low? Am I a slacker because I am content with renting, making less than 40k/year, and having no real responsibilites and no aspirations loftier than making kickass con costumes? Or am I on my way to being a zen master for having abandoned the so-called American dream of the house, the career, the SUV, and the 2.5 children and just loving my life as-is.
From: [identity profile] lonely-doll.livejournal.com
I agree with this whole post. I still have moments where I think, "Gaaa, what am I doing wasting my life?" but as I get older and, I hope, wiser I've realized that I'm not so much wasting my life as I am living it.

But what the hell do I know? I'm just a big ol' slacker! ;-)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
My problem is that if I don't have a goal to work towards, I am not happy. I become depressed and aimless. I don't do well if I don't push myself in life. Maybe this will change at somepoint but I have a really hard time getting myself to sit down be content with the way things are for a long time.
From: [identity profile] damncutekitty.livejournal.com
I have goals. they are just all short term. Like the tri or the Powerpuff costumes. I always have something I am working on.

But I've never been good at the whole 'major life goal' thing. Part of the whole thing where I never really knew what I wanted just that I wanted to be happy.

PowerPuff?

Date: 2010-06-02 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scotia-girl.livejournal.com
wait... I keep forgetting who you are IRL:did you do the Powerpuff thing at Anime Detour?

Re: PowerPuff?

Date: 2010-06-02 08:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] damncutekitty.livejournal.com
Nope. Never been to Anime Detour.
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
I am not saying that I have to buy into the "American Dream" or lifestyle just that I need more than short-term goals.
From: [personal profile] pork_chop
I want to find my ONE PHOTO of my friends and I when we made and wore Powerpuff Girls costumes, but it's not even a great photo. That makes me a little sad.

p.s. "dream scheme" is the best episode. i think i was telling you about it - it's done completely in rhyme.

man, i've forgotten how much i love those chicks. i think i still have a couple vhs tapes of episodes...
From: [identity profile] scotia-girl.livejournal.com
I think that's fabulous, Kitty!

The "American Dream" is "life , liberty and the pursuit of happiness."

It's not "2.5 kids, 1.8 pets, a spouse who spends more time at work than with you and the kids, a house that you'll always be underwater on, 2 cars that that you'll replace every 4 years or as soon as they're paid off and the cost of which in monthly payments would otherwise pay for a month or two roaming the world, and a retirement plan that leaves you working until you're well into your 70s."

From: [identity profile] gwangi.livejournal.com
Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are not the American Dream, they're our basic rights. Add in the right to own property (the Virginian Declaration of Rights, which was kind of a first continental congress precursor to the Declaration of Independence says...
That all men are by nature equally free and independent, and have certain inherent rights, of which, when they enter into a state of society, they cannot, by any compact, deprive or divest their posterity; namely, the enjoyment of life and liberty, with the means of acquiring and possessing property, and pursuing and obtaining happiness and safety.)
and you have the things that are so basic to our freedoms that government must address any reductions in them specifically. George III failed to do that (along with all the other things listed further on in the Declaration), which is why we told him to bugger off. But those things aren't a very direct statement of what we're talking about.

The American Dream, I think most people would agree, is that you can raise your social class through hard work, without interference from other social classes or the government. If you're an uneducated Slovakian Jew who moves here speaking not a word of English, it's possible for you to eventually become Chief of Police, or a millionaire, or a baseball star, or whatever. In much of the rest of the world, that's still not going to happen, and back in the early parts of the 1900s, that "much" should have read "basically all". That's why immigrants come here!
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
Exactly, which is why I don't think I would descriped "2.5 kids, 1.8 pets, a spouse..." as "The American Dream but rather as "The American Lifestyle" and not really one that anyone has.

It is sort of like the myth of the 50s nuclear family. Very few people had it.
From: [identity profile] damncutekitty.livejournal.com
I went through this whole internal struggle a year or two ago. I realized after playing rock band with friends one night that I was really happy. Like content with my life kind of happy. And here I was single and renting and I have this lame insurance job that will never make me rich.

And then the more I thought about I was like, why NOT enjoy life right now? I like renting because it means I don't have to spend my money on home repair or improvement. And I never have to rake or shovel. I like the flexible schedule and the month plus of PTO I get from my lame insurance job. And I've been successfully living within my means for years now and it's a decent life.

But so many people in my family are chasing after the big paychecks. My cousin who's the same age as me has a husband and a truck and a big house and season Gopher tickets and takes frequent vacations. My other cousin has 2 kids and a house and a boat and a big truck and no debt except his mortgage. I felt like maybe it makes me a loser that I am content to be where I am and I'm not chasing all that stuff, too.

Date: 2010-06-02 05:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seattleforge.livejournal.com
I want my son to be a happy and well adjusted man when I'm done with him.

Date: 2010-06-02 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
That is a good goal. I think you are doing a pretty good job with that.

Date: 2010-06-02 07:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seattleforge.livejournal.com
Thank you, ma'am.

Date: 2010-06-02 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] murun.livejournal.com
I want to be able to enjoy each moment as much as I can, whatever is going on. I don't want to set targets and plan achievements, as if they don't happen I'd feel a failure. I want to sweep along like the breeze in the sunlight :)

Date: 2010-06-02 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
But didn't you just say you wanted to run your department because you would do it right?

Date: 2010-06-02 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] murun.livejournal.com
I don't care for management jobs, it's not something I'd seek out or class as an ambition. That issue is more of an impatient "oh just give the puzzle to me, I'll fix it quicker than watching you fools" kinda thing. Similar to why I do the household chores rather than watch Richard do them ;)

Date: 2010-06-02 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scotia-girl.livejournal.com
#1: IDK.
#1 Alternate Answer: Make a difference. Fuck if I know what that means right now though.

#2: Not enough.


Sometimes I feel like there are things I'd try to convince [livejournal.com profile] davedujour to do, but because of the girls (10 and 14), we really should wait until they're off to college. Even though they don't live with us. Child support is important, and jeopardizing that would be irresponsible.

Date: 2010-06-02 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
Child Support is important. Plus this recession sort of limit options. It is harder to fail now because it isn't as easy to pick up afterwards as it was a few years ago.

I am looking forward to moving and all the changes it will bring. I have felt that my life has been really stagnate lately and even if this might not make a difference in huge ways, it will in small ways.

Date: 2010-06-02 06:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scotia-girl.livejournal.com
With all the changes you have coming up, you are eventually gonna look back at this time of quietude and think, "man, I wish things would settle down." It's human nature at work: change is sexy. But man, exciting stuff you have coming!

Date: 2010-06-02 06:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annablume.livejournal.com
I'd like to cultivate beauty, live in comfort, see the world, and be remembered as kind. I'm off track. :-)

Date: 2010-06-02 07:14 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] pork_chop
I'd like to ditto this - perfect description!

I'm still figuring out how I want to go about cultivating beauty in a way that will allow me to live in comfort, but I think I'm making some good progress. :)

Date: 2010-06-02 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
That is a good description.

And it is that is a lot!

Date: 2010-06-02 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saphirepassion.livejournal.com
I want to continue doing my seamstress work and doing alterations for a living. Also, I really need to move on from living in my current city because it is to damn conservative to for me. I can't wait for my husband Nick, to find a job in the twin cities so we can move there. :)

Date: 2010-06-02 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
Yeah, I am pretty lucky to not be out of place. I fit in most of the places I go pretty well. It should be interesting to see how that works when Zach is in the army.

Date: 2010-06-02 09:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] theophania-79.livejournal.com
I just want to live.

Date: 2010-06-02 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
<3.

Right after I posted this I called to set up an appointment for a new doctor to see if this guy can deal with my headaches. I should have just said I didn't want to randomly be in pain anymore and that is nothing compared to what you have to deal with.

Date: 2010-06-02 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] melissa-maples.livejournal.com
I want to enjoy every single day and travel and forever be doing harder and cooler and more daring creative projects. And I'm doing all that!

Date: 2010-06-03 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pallid-regina.livejournal.com
WANT:
I want to be a self-employed small business owner in a(n at least) moderately successful, lovely to be in tea and eclectic-ness shop.

TO GET:
I'm running a fundraiser at RocketHub (http://www.rockethub.com/projects/113-moving-through-the-looking-glass) right now to try and get the funding to move my mildly moderatly successful, lovely to be in tea and eclectic-ness shop into a new, much better location, thus allowing me to do LOTS more cool stuff, remain open (and viable), and do more excellent events. This = more lovely to be in and more eclectic-ness, thus more business and more success!

I'm pretty sure you know the insane internal struggles I had even admitting I WANTED this in the first place. Nearly two years in I'm a MUCH more sane person and so much happier. The problems of normal life haven't gone away (and in some cases they are exacerbated by my choice...like the fact that being a small business owner means I take NO salary...NONE...which is hard on Lance and can make me feel SUPER guilty) but being on a path that I have chosen and that I love DOES matter and it makes everything else more cope-able.

I will add, too, that I don't know what you have going in your mind but amazing things can DEFINITELY happen if you don't let fear (and the big success killer: NOT ASKING FOR WHAT YOU WANT) keep you from trying.

Also, you are SO kick ass that I feel certain that if you set your sights on something it's really just a matter of time. Can't wait to hear what's cookin!

Date: 2010-06-03 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharya.livejournal.com
Hmm... honestly? I want to make a difference in the world, in some way. I feel like I'm achieving that by doing my job, raising my children, and maintaining/building my relationships.

Of course I want to have fun and be happy along the way too :P

Say, can you read my latest post? I'm thinking you're the one on my list who's most likely able to help me with my laptop...

Date: 2010-06-03 02:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tallelfnorth.livejournal.com
I don't know what I want or what to do about it. :-/ Having a full-time tech job again has already fixed my finances, which was such a worry the last few years.

I allow myself to want to be happy. I know I want love and sex and a house again someday. Using my creativity more is a goal. I've found my desire for "everyone to get along" is problematic and my hopes for (and implementation of) clear communication sometimes sets me up for disappointment.

I think I'll have as much fun as possible all summer and then get down to thinking about Big Deals this autumn. So, for now, Life's Too Short.

Date: 2010-06-03 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polyranger.livejournal.com
I just want to be me and be happy while doing it.

What am I doing to make it happen? I figured out what that "one thing" is.

Date: 2010-06-04 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hutman.livejournal.com
I need to go talk to my boss about where my job is going, been doing bugger all lately while runs about like a headless chicken..

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