Date: 2008-05-02 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
Raelly? Is it just the way you paddle that you don't like? I never seem to be able to do the kayak paddle as well as the canoe one. Plus I feel sort of trapped in a kayak.

I think I will, it would be a good middle of the summer class to take.

Date: 2008-05-02 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sterlingphoenix.livejournal.com
It's just that I always feel like the thing is about to tip over. I've never been able to tip a kayak over even when I tried!

Date: 2008-05-02 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
Yeah, I have fallen over a few times. Once while camping into really cold weather and I wasn't able to warm up for days. Still, it is a matter of just knowing where your center of gravity is.

Kayaks are just as shallow as canoes, right? So you could use them to go down Minnehaha?

Date: 2008-05-02 05:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sterlingphoenix.livejournal.com
I've only fallen out once, and that was when my 'friend' Kris dumped me out of her canoe whilst trying to pull it out of a lake.

It's just that when I'm a canoe I sit there REALLY stiffly and try not to move at all. I dunno.

My kayak has a pretty big cockpit so I can move around petty easily and not feel trapped at all. And I'm probably getting a bigger one this year.

I'm petty sure kayaks are way shallow. You're just a lot closer to the water in them.

Date: 2008-05-02 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
When we were kids we would have "canoe wars" where the point was to knock the other people out of their canoe. I got really good at knowing how my weight would effect the tippiness of the canoe.

What size kayak do you have? I haven't bought a canoe because I don't know where I would store it. Sometimes I want a garage.


I think that might be part of the problem, I like sitting up higher. Anyways, tomorrow my brother, sister-in-law and I are going to the Duluth Pack store. I am super excited.

Date: 2008-05-02 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sterlingphoenix.livejournal.com
My kayak is 9'4" long (which means I need to get a license for it), but I plan on getting a bigger one this year so I can take the dog. I'm hoping I can get a single-person one she'll fit in, but I'll get a tandem if I need to.

I had a 17' one last year for a few days - it was still stable but it was impossible to navigate, so I took it back.

Canoes definitely have more room, it'd be MUCH easier to get the dog in one... but I want to be able to have her jump out and pull her back in. (:

I've never heard about that store. I wanna go to REI though!

Date: 2008-05-02 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
Yeah, the 17' would be hard with one person. Was it a tandem? Canoes are great for dogs, though it is much harder to have them get back into the canoe if they jump out.

Do you ever go canoe camping? That store is pretty much a staple of that sort of camping.

REI is great, I should see if Eric wants to go on sunday so we can rock climb!

Date: 2008-05-02 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sterlingphoenix.livejournal.com
It was a tandem. But it had a rudder and paddles so I figured it'd be OK.

IT WAS NOT. A slight breeze and I'd be going wherever the thing felt like, with a scared dog leaning on me making it hard to paddle.

I've never gone ANY camping. Yeah I know.

I'd like to try that rock-wall at the Bloomington REI, maybe in a few weeks when my ankle's all better.

Date: 2008-05-02 06:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
Was it her first time on the water?

Never camping? Weird. I love camping.


The rock wall is awesome. I wish I had more time to get into rock climbing.

Date: 2008-05-02 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sterlingphoenix.livejournal.com
She's been in a motorboat before, but not in a kayak. I'm pretty sure she could get used to it, she loves the water. She enjoyed the part where we stopped and swam around for a while. I want to take her with because I feel guilty leaving her home while I have outdoor fun!

I didn't grow up in an environment that was conducive to camping. For one, the county's too small. Also my parents couldn't really stand hanging out with us (:

Now that I think about it, school forced us on a camping trip in the... 9th grade I think. made us make our own tents and stuff. It SUCKED.

Some of my friends said they'd take me camping, but we just never found the time and now they have a baby.

Date: 2008-05-02 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
Yeah, it might have just been that she was scared the first time.

I suppose that is a good excuse. :P. My parents actually don't like camping at all. It is just me and my siblings that like it so much. I also went a lot as a girl scout.

Can't they take the baby camping with them?

Date: 2008-05-02 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sterlingphoenix.livejournal.com
They probably can take her with, but do I really want to be dragged on a camping trip with a baby? (:

Date: 2008-05-02 06:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
Good point!

You should go! My favorite camping is canoe camping because you move every day. I love this route. I have seen moose, bear and eagles along this route and rarely people.

Date: 2008-05-02 06:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
Oh, and a forest fire. I can't believe I forgot that was on this route.

Date: 2008-05-02 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
When I was camping one year with my Church Group there was a forest fire on. I have some great picture of it somewhere (actual pictures, not digital.

Date: 2008-05-02 08:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sterlingphoenix.livejournal.com
What's that got to do with camping with a baby? (:

Date: 2008-05-02 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bertine.livejournal.com
I was thinking about one of the times I went camping on the route I linked to and what I have seen on it.

I want to go camping so badly now

Date: 2008-05-02 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sterlingphoenix.livejournal.com
You should go for it!

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