ajax

[bertine]

lexi, this ajax stuff is so damn cool. i made up a demo of it this morning and now i am jealous that you get to work with it all the time.


for those of you not in the "know" ajax is the blending of technologies that makes gmail as fast and slick as it.

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[phaedie.livejournal.com]

heh and here's me wondering why you are all excited about a cleaner. :)

[bertine.livejournal.com]

well... i have been known to get excited about a cleaner.

but web technologies tend to get me even more excited.

[lexir0x.livejournal.com]

i really need to find a better practical application for it. it'd be awesome for games and slowchats like babble. ah, now i have to be creative and i'm terrible at that...

[bertine.livejournal.com]

you can't think of a practical application for it? i can think of lots of them. that is what i like so much about this, it isn't something that is cool but i can't use.

my company does all these listings, basically datagrids which we allow users to do actions off of them. SO, you just allow them to do the actions without reloading the page. or when they want to cahnge their search critera (we do stuff with real estate listings) you can run a filter on the search results and then change them without waiting for a whole refresh, maybe without a db hit at all.

or with my user tracking site, i'll be able to refresh the data without refreshing the whole page, and change the reader information quick and effiecently.

it is so sad, being able to combined it with a datagrid makes me more excited than the idea of writing a game with it. LOL

[lexir0x.livejournal.com]

lol, see, and all of my interactions at work are purely client-side, that should work without having to connect to anything but the local webserver we install on their machine. i wonder though, if that could be something. lkjasdlkfj;alskdjf

[bertine.livejournal.com]

good point, i forgot about that. my whole life is databases so i forget that sometimes it doesn't work that way.

so you do install a local webserver? well, javascript can write text files, right? (i think) so you can save things that way.

i am so amazed by your product, i can't even start to think about how to do something that is totally self contained like that. it is so awesome.

[lexir0x.livejournal.com]

actually, it can't. it's totally non-obtrusive. usually if you want to save any data with javascript, you have to use the microsoft version called "jscript", or post it to a form, which then isn't really javascript at all. javascript can write to browser windows, which can then be saved as html by a person. but it can't do it on its own. you can use other languages in conjunction with js though, that will write out... or use activex, but that only works in IE, which sucks.

but i am totally going to set up my site to be totally ajax though. it may become my weekend obsession. whee!

[bertine.livejournal.com]

I need to learn javascript better and get working on this.

i suppose ajax just doesn't have that many uses if you aren't updating data. :(

you should! the guy that is making the demo stuff here is really making a slick little app with it, i am blown away by it. I am just sad that I can't play because i am stuck making asp classes all day. :(

[lexir0x.livejournal.com]

that's ok, i'm stuck validating html to see if it isn't just a heap of semivalid html that's breaking safari.

[greatestofnates.livejournal.com]

I want to use Ajax in my webgame. How do I get my hands on it? It seems more like a concept (model-view-controller) rather than a tool. Do you have a cool link to share?

[bertine.livejournal.com]

so does safari convert all negative numbers into scientific notation?

[bertine.livejournal.com]

this is a chat that i started pulling apart:
http://www.plasticshore.com/viewEntry.php?id=215
and this is a good article on it:
http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000385.php

it is a blending of technologies but it is totally useful. it makes the web much more like a desktop app without having to use something like flash. it is perfect for webgames (until lexi mentioned it i didn't even think of using it for that, funny). the chat is good because it shows you the javascript stuff you need to access the db and to do checks to see if people have the right abilities to use it so you can error out gracefully (or in the case of here, do something more traditional)

[lexir0x.livejournal.com]

from all of the testing i did last night, yes. it does. it actually made me a little bit physically ill.

[bertine.livejournal.com]

i think that is making me sick too.

this is why i don't like js that much, too many variables to worry about.

[lexir0x.livejournal.com]

well, a) it's job security for me, because nobody else wants to bother with it. i'm kindof like the janitor of the programming world.
and b) it wouldnt' be so bad if ms and netscape had made up back in the day and standardized. most of the time it isn't so bad. however, i have to say, safari is the most frustrating browser i've ever had to work with. worse than old netscape, worse than IE at times... it's like the temperamental, slightly retarded/stupid diva/actress/artiste. you can't tell it anything, and whenever you try to help it, it runs out of the room.

i effing hate it.

[chelejean.livejournal.com]

i'm such an UN-techno girl... i only understood, like, 10% of all the words in this whole thread.

but hey - i can knit y'all a pair of socks like there's no tomorrow!

[bertine.livejournal.com]

LOL, that is ok, i can't knit socks, i get frustrated. i don't like thinking while knitting.

anyways, ajax is something that would be awesome at e. because they can control the browser that is being used. I don't know what the intranet is like anymore but take the employee directory, instead of that little window that displayed the results we could have just had the results magically appear in the same spot without having more than one window. That would be cool and I can't even start to think about the cool things we could have done with something like the LERG.

Basically it makes webpages one step closer to regular applications.

[bertine.livejournal.com]

every verison or just the older ones?

i miss my old company were we forced people to have the browser we wanted them to have.

[chelejean.livejournal.com]

oh, okay.. i can sorta get my brain around that!
still - knitting socks is much more fun (to me, anyway..)
:-)

[jayp39.livejournal.com]

This looks amazing, can't wait to poke around at it!